didodikali ([info]trickofthedark) wrote,

Bzzzzzzzt. Fail.

Now More AuthorFail, now with authors I have actually read. Recently. And aloud. Oh, Lois Bujold, no. D:

I am reading an unfamiliar new book aloud to Meesto. I have not read it before, my reading it aloud to Meesto is my first exposure to it, too. So far there have been 50 pages of horse-riding and exposition and so far we both can't stand the POV main character who seems to be a stupid 15 year old whiny boy. Ugh. It has a Newberry Medal and is Young Adult. It had better improve fast and cut the boy-whining.

On the other hand no matter how hard this new book I'm reading sucks, it can't possibly suck as hard as Failingtonia, The 13th (oh, please). So I'm going to go read my new book aloud, secure in the knowledgedesperately hoping it doesn't suddenly smack me in the face with something genocidal and evil.

Maybe I should stick to the internet, which has stuff about point of view, science, reactions, choices, and Little House on the Prairie.

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[info]marionros

May 13 2009, 08:03:21 UTC 3 years ago

Did you ever try Rosemary Sutcliff? (my favour YA writer)
Try 'The Lantern Bearers' to see if you like her style.

I can also heartily recommend Rumer Godden's 'An Episode of Sparrows', which isn't really a YA novel, but because it has a couple of children as the main characters its often slotted that way. Brilliant read, though.

[info]trickofthedark

May 13 2009, 12:51:43 UTC 3 years ago

Haven't heard of them, but I'll keep my eyes open. =)

[info]marionros

May 13 2009, 14:02:22 UTC 3 years ago

I try to flog Rumer and Rosemary everywhere I go :-)

They were both well acclaimed and prizewinning authors (a few of Rumer Godden's 'grown up' novels were made into movies) in the fifties and sixties, but somewhere in the eighties their works somehow dropped out of sight. I can heartily recommend them, though.

[info]wombat1138

May 13 2009, 09:28:48 UTC 3 years ago

Ow.

Semi-similarly, the Cassie Edwards "Savage Plagiarism" affair sparked a wildly successful fundraiser for black-footed ferrets-- but not parallel interest in the welfare of the various Native American groups whose traditions Edwards was writing researching cut'n'pasting into an entire series of books mostly entitled Savage Fill-in-the-blank-- including one book with approximately as many pages in paperback as the remaining number of members of the tribe in question (~400: the Chitimacha in Racing Moon).

[info]trickofthedark

May 13 2009, 12:54:51 UTC 3 years ago

Why do people even consider doing this kind of shit now that we have the internet? Also, those are some craptastic titles. :(

[info]schemingreader

May 13 2009, 10:15:57 UTC 3 years ago

I also felt pretty well crushed by the utter stupidity of Bujold's comments. You'd think if someone could write a book that discusses similar issues through metaphor that she would be sensitive and intelligent about those issues in real life. Apparently that's wrong.

[info]trickofthedark

May 13 2009, 12:47:09 UTC 3 years ago

You'd think. But no. :(

[info]schemingreader

May 13 2009, 13:38:28 UTC 3 years ago

Well, actually, I followed a link in the comments to one of the posts you linked (didja follow that?) and Bujold said the only reasonable thing she could under the circumstances which was something like, "I'm sorry, I keep putting my foot in my mouth, I'll shut up now."

What I saw in what she wrote was an inability to distinguish between her own experience of the world and what was happening for everyone in the world. So she thinks that SF/her own work 1. has more (active?) fans of color since the internet, or maybe 2. has just more (active?) fans, period, including more fans of color?

But really she should be saying, "the internet has provided me with more opportunities to meet POC than before, because racism creates a segregated society and I would have had to try harder to meet you/learn about you than I had even thought about doing."

What do they call that, when you can't tell the difference between your own individual experience and what's true for the whole world? Solipsism? Is privilege generally a species of solipsism?

[info]archangelbeth

May 13 2009, 14:20:07 UTC 3 years ago

[depressed] Being human. *sigh* [/depressed]

I will attempt to have faith that more people than not will... try to do better and look at things from a different angle.

I like your rephrasing greatly, BTW.

[info]schemingreader

May 13 2009, 14:54:17 UTC 3 years ago

It's important, I think, to recognize that the pitfalls of racism are not merely human fallibility. They are human fallibility in the context of a society systemically distorted by racism, whose material injustices and ideological assumptions are so pervasive as to be nearly invisible.

The only way to do better is to choose to learn about the experience of people of color, both past and present. In a society that dismisses those experiences as unimportant, a person with white skin privilege has to continually choose to learn and pay attention. It's not just any different angle.

[info]archangelbeth

May 13 2009, 16:42:53 UTC 3 years ago

That's true. I was more looking at can't tell the difference between your own individual experience and what's true for the whole world in a microcosm, as being the "human" thing. Left to snowball, it gets more than just depressing. (I'm not sure there are words for it. Tragic sort of starts to approach the magnitude.)

And not just any different angle, aye, but... a different one. My own enlightenment about an entirely different subject took a while to manage, and once I got my head around it, it opened up all the branches of... well, everything in that realm of taking responsibility and assigning responsibility for actions. I'm probably explaining this badly, in part because I'm not finding an elegant way to avoid All About My Enlightenment, when all I want to do is draw a parallel I know I've experienced to something I'm still trying to get my head around.

[info]archangelbeth

May 13 2009, 11:53:41 UTC 3 years ago

For near-certain avoiding of Failstuff, you might check the catalog at http://oyate.org/ -- http://oyate.org/aboutus.html is the page to pause at first.

(That said, at least one of the people griping at her, last I looked, completely mischaracterized "it didn't sell well" (a factual truth; if it'd sold well, there'd have been sequels) as "it didn't get the raving adulation of black women." Which annoyed me.)

[info]trickofthedark

May 13 2009, 12:48:17 UTC 3 years ago

I'm familiar with Oyate. I've bought stuff off there for other people, but not yet for myself. Should get around to it.

[info]archangelbeth

May 13 2009, 14:17:50 UTC 3 years ago

I was looking at their catalog recently and going, "Ooo, that looks interesting, and that, and that, and that..."

I wish I knew what they thought of Abenaki Captive (I hope I spelled that right), which is what's being read for an after-school enrichment "book club" thing that I'm volunteering with. It doesn't seem to be anywhere on the site (for good or ill), and the foreword looks reasonable, but... we know who writes forewords.

[info]schemingreader

May 13 2009, 15:00:48 UTC 3 years ago

I learned about American Indians In Children's Literature, the blog of a former school teacher, current Indian Studies professor, on [info]deadbrowalking. I wonder what the blogger, Debbie Reese, has to say about the book. HTH.

[info]archangelbeth

May 13 2009, 16:43:05 UTC 3 years ago

Much thanks!

[info]lookfar

May 13 2009, 12:12:52 UTC 3 years ago

Here's what my friend M-C said about the Newberry Medal when she was 13: "That's the award they give to books where one of the characters dies."

[info]trickofthedark

May 13 2009, 12:45:51 UTC 3 years ago

Hahahaha!

[info]stasia

May 13 2009, 16:31:12 UTC 3 years ago

I don't know if I recommended it last time you asked for books, but this is one of my all time favorite books ever ever ever: Orvis. Here's a sample, via Googlebooks: Orvis sample. The author also wrote a book called This Time of Darkness which I read in Jr High and loved then (and still do, really). (Sample, via Googlebooks again: here)

Stasia

[info]trickofthedark

May 14 2009, 00:19:21 UTC 3 years ago

Cool, I'll take a look. Thanks! =)
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